Comments on: FAQ: Privacy Issues https://stopsmartmeters.org Fighting for health, privacy, and safety Fri, 24 Jun 2022 21:45:01 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5 By: Enoughisenough https://stopsmartmeters.org/frequently-asked-questions/faq-privacy-issues/#comment-1161783 Thu, 15 Sep 2016 16:44:36 +0000 https://stopsmartmeters.org/?page_id=1961#comment-1161783 In reply to cathy anderson.

IT’S THIS THING CALLED THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Just because a company sells you a product or owns the transmit of said product does not give them the right to invade the privacy if an American Citizen with out due process or probable cause. Hello? We still have protection of our rights here Americans. Start demanding your precious rights as afforded to you under the document YOUR government agreed to govern by…the Constitution ant the Bill of Rights.

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By: Enoughisenough https://stopsmartmeters.org/frequently-asked-questions/faq-privacy-issues/#comment-1161782 Thu, 15 Sep 2016 16:31:36 +0000 https://stopsmartmeters.org/?page_id=1961#comment-1161782 In reply to Redi Kilowatt.

Bless you Redi-Kilowatt you are a naive soul. Brochures by nature are a dummied down sales tools for low informed consumers to present a company’s product or service in the best light in order to promote that product’s sales. PURE MARKETING and not a reliable source of information for deep technical matters such as these. Dig a little deeper please electric man. Do you not see where this will end up? YOUR electric company is fixing to charge you the consumer surcharges for premium use time slots in keeping with the global warming …he who controls the resources (ultimately the Feds) wins agenda. Excuse me but if Siemens Executive says they have minute by minute time stamps i believe him and you can bet his competition does aid well! You can also place a bet that our corrupt law officials will circumvent the constitution by using the technology sans warrant to gather pre-probable cause data as the other blogger pointed out. THINK YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE DEAR FELLOW CITIZENS? That is not how totalitarianism works. We all become criminals for imagined or newly outlawed offenses. Will you be targeted, fined, jailed as an environmental terrorist because you over use electicity? Why give an increasingly abusive central athority the rope to gang us with? And yes your little local power company is tied to the central authority via DOE oversight and the bribes/grants they receive from said agency/so.

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By: M H https://stopsmartmeters.org/frequently-asked-questions/faq-privacy-issues/#comment-989951 Wed, 02 Jul 2014 21:33:19 +0000 https://stopsmartmeters.org/?page_id=1961#comment-989951 So what restrictions are there on third parties collecting meter readings and using them or selling them? If a wireless network is used, then all that is needed to gather readings is a wireless receiver (and possibly some processing to decrypt/interpret the readings).
http://hackaday.com/2012/04/09/harvesting-and-graphing-wireless-household-utility-meter-info/
http://hackaday.com/2014/02/25/using-sdr-to-read-your-smart-meter/

What, if any, restrictions are there on collecting readings, on using them for ones own purposes, or reselling them?
Could law enforcement do such collection without a warrant?
Could companies or private individuals harvest this information out of the air and sell it (bypassing restrictions on what the utility can do with the information)?

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By: cathy anderson https://stopsmartmeters.org/frequently-asked-questions/faq-privacy-issues/#comment-151887 Sun, 25 Nov 2012 20:47:16 +0000 https://stopsmartmeters.org/?page_id=1961#comment-151887 This is my question. If the utility owns the wire, and the pole on the roof, and the meter, how can you ban them from access?
These things come up when you start class action lawsuits.
How do you find out the fine print of what they say about their right to access your meter to “update” it.
And the FCC guidelines say a professional has to install it, but they’re not using professionals, and there are resulting fires which they won’t claim responsibility for. If it catches fire, it’s your fault. Email your homeowner’s insurance company so you have written proof that you notified them of the possible danger of this device, and see if they’ll even cover you for a fire caused by these smart meters. The more people notify their insurance company, the more alert they will become, because their job is NOT to pay your claim. And they’re so picky about everything else being inspected, I would think they wouldn’t insure them, which would help the case.

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By: Jim https://stopsmartmeters.org/frequently-asked-questions/faq-privacy-issues/#comment-19366 Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:05:07 +0000 https://stopsmartmeters.org/?page_id=1961#comment-19366 “Smart meters can track times of use for individual appliances in the home, for instance turning on an electric clothes dryer in the middle of the night, when power is cheap. Gilbert said that opens the door to law enforcement getting the data and more closely tracking what goes on in residents’ homes.

“It is critically important that law enforcement not be able to obtain Vermonters’ smart meter data without a warrant,” Gilbert said, adding that customers whose usage data are being subpoenaed should be notified and given an opportunity to try to block the subpoena.”

The Associated Press November 15, 2011 – Smart meters raise privacy, health concerns in Vt.
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9R18H083.htm

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By: Jim https://stopsmartmeters.org/frequently-asked-questions/faq-privacy-issues/#comment-19222 Wed, 16 Nov 2011 13:42:38 +0000 https://stopsmartmeters.org/?page_id=1961#comment-19222 Here’s a YouTube video of some people who are using a “HAN” network “in home monitoring device”to view their power usage in REAL TIME.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cS7QYACmug

These are small devices with a small LCD display that can show you your total home power usage or dollar amount spent for real time power usage.

They talk about how they can open their fridge door and look over and see the power usage go up. That’s real time usage information.

The “HAN” network is built into “Smart” Meters. It broadcasts this real time information UNENCRYPTED via radio, and from OUTSIDE your home.

Meaning it can be picked up easier from OUTSIDE than inside your house. The signal is stronger outside than it is inside!

Anyone with a high gain antenna will be able to monitor your power usage and tell whether you are home or not, or get your daily patterns. Burglars?

You don’t have to own a “in home monitoring device” for the HAN to broadcast your private power usage data to the neighborhood. It’s built in and ready to go! It could be broadcasting that data right now!

The “HAN” also gives hackers another access point to try to hack your meter and possibly change it’s programing from a remote location. You will never know.

Your “Smart” Meter is the next big ego challenge to hackers. Don’t be part of the problem!

Call and refuse installation today! Use the example letters at the link on this site above to set up your written complaint so they will be on notice of all the bad things about these meters.

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By: Redi Kilowatt https://stopsmartmeters.org/frequently-asked-questions/faq-privacy-issues/#comment-16414 Tue, 01 Nov 2011 15:29:50 +0000 https://stopsmartmeters.org/?page_id=1961#comment-16414 I have a question about what information a utility company can give out to a third party.
I don’t have PG&E gas at my house, never did, in fact I don’t have any gas at this house.
I heat my house by burning wood in a wood stove, and since this my only source of heat, I am exempt from the BAAQMD rules about burning on “spare the air days”.
I know all my neighbors and communicate with them frequently, they know that I am exempt from burning restrictions. I ask everyone if my wood burning is a problem, and never have had one complaint in 31 years at this address.
None of my neighbors will call the BAAQMD on me, and this a very low density, low traffic area, nobody just wanders up here sniffing for smoke.
There has never been a complaint lodged against this address, but if there ever was, I will tell the BAAQMD that I am exempt.
I could prove it by showing the “air czar” my PG&E bill that has the Rate Schedule
“E1 TH Residential Service” at the top of the bill. The TH means no gas at this account address.
I would never show my bill to anybody, I don’t have to.
And any agency or private corporation needs a search warrant to look at anybody’s utility bills. I wonder if I requested, that PG&E could give out my Rate Schedule E1 TH information only, not any usage data, to the BAAQMD if I needed them to to prove that I am exempt from burning on spare the air days.
Also, something to consider if you are worried about privacy, if one uses this useless feature of signing up with PG&E and viewing up to the previous days usage on the internet, you should be worried about your name, address, account number, phone number and total usage up to the previous day being transmitted on the internet.
And if you store that data in your home computer, anyone could hack into it and get all that data that would not be there if you didn’t sign up for the program.
Also, in the future, if the customer decides to purchase a Home Area Network (HAN) monitoring system , that information is for the individual customers “in home use only”, and is not transmitted to the utility over their radio networks. But this “in home” system is connected to your “in home computer and display”, and a hacker could access that information. That’s something to consider if one is concerned about privacy.

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By: Redi Kilowatt https://stopsmartmeters.org/frequently-asked-questions/faq-privacy-issues/#comment-15697 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:12:45 +0000 https://stopsmartmeters.org/?page_id=1961#comment-15697 In reply to Jim.

Jim,
I take the time to post what PG&E wrote in their brochure ‘word for word’ to help inform the readers on this site what is going on with PG&E’s SmartMeter program. I do not post this information to make you mad.
If you think what PG&E writes is false information, then instead of personally attacking me, I suggest that you take up your beef with them (PG&E).
Keep in mind that there are many energy monitoring and management systems and corporations that have been performing these services for decades. Look up Leviton, they are one of the many big ones. Usually, it is only large commercial and industrial operations that utilize these services. Marketing these services to residential customers is a brand new corporate venture that may or may not pan out.
That’s the way it goes when corporations risk investing in new ventures.
No doubt that the ZigBee/HomePlug alliance will offer these new residential services to customers as soon as they finish developing the HAN’s, but these monitoring services are expensive. Most customers probably will not use outside monitoring services, and probably can’t even afford the in home HAN monitoring systems.

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By: Redi Kilowatt https://stopsmartmeters.org/frequently-asked-questions/faq-privacy-issues/#comment-15632 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:43:43 +0000 https://stopsmartmeters.org/?page_id=1961#comment-15632 The reason that the utility company has to wait 24 hours to tally up a customers total usage is because the data being sent to them is not real time data, it is sent once every 4 hours.
Personally I would never go online to PG&E and request yesterdays usage, it is of no use to me, even if I did have a smart meter. Another thing is, if a customer gives PG&E their email address, they will get junk mail, like about signing up for the thermostat program, when I don’t even have an air conditioning unit.
I am curious if the system is even working yet.
If someone already has a new SmartMeter, and if that new meter is actually working (meaning that the meter is still not read by a meter reader or bills are estimated), could you please do a test and see what happens. Please report back and post so we all can see. If no one can do that, I would assume that the system is not working, or nobody is interested in yesterdays usage. So that is the big energy saving feature of the meters- what a joke !
Thank you,
RKw

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By: Jim https://stopsmartmeters.org/frequently-asked-questions/faq-privacy-issues/#comment-15599 Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:36:48 +0000 https://stopsmartmeters.org/?page_id=1961#comment-15599 In reply to Redi Kilowatt.

Read what I said.

The data came from somewhere for “yesterday”, when did that happen? Today?

Radio Frequency transmission, you have no idea how many times a day the data is sent OVER THE AIR because only the people who program the meters know that, probably NOT the executives upstairs. And that can change any time they want.

And just to repeat myself, you have no idea the resolution of the ACTUAL RF TRANSMITTED DATA THAT COMES FROM THE METERS, who cares what is shown on the web page, the power company could have minute by minute data coming in and only show you hourly, DID YOU READ MY POST AT ALL?

You are starting to do this cause a disservice, please learn something about computer technology and small device programming before you spread incorrect information.

I like you and I understand after many posts that you are some kind of electrical installer. OK fine, I get that. But that doesn’t mean you know what goes on inside a programmed device or how data processing systems work.

Someone changing their daily habits could be a sign of them being gone on vacation. Using the meter data (via RF antenna) from many days, and I don’t have to be close by to get the data from the mesh, I can build daily habits and figure out when you have changed that. Things that most people don’t “simulate” with timers include the water heater (showers), TVs, computers and the microwave, electric stove or toaster oven, toaster, coffee pot, etc…

From this data I could tell easily if you are home or not. This may be better than watching for your cars leaving and easier because you could profile 100’s maybe 1000’s of homes all at once with a computer program and some statistics software.

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