Comments on: FightTheFees.Org Sends a Message to Utilities: We Won’t Pay https://stopsmartmeters.org/2012/04/17/fightthefees-org-sends-a-message-to-utilities-we-wont-pay/ Fighting for health, privacy, and safety Sat, 28 Apr 2012 00:31:45 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.1 By: Vin Towers https://stopsmartmeters.org/2012/04/17/fightthefees-org-sends-a-message-to-utilities-we-wont-pay/#comment-46816 Sat, 28 Apr 2012 00:31:45 +0000 https://stopsmartmeters.org/?p=4376#comment-46816 I am getting my $75 back. I have been using my solar clothes drier to reduce my electric bill to off set the $10 monthly fee. I will eventually make back the $75, ridiculous, origination fee.

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By: Smarter Meters https://stopsmartmeters.org/2012/04/17/fightthefees-org-sends-a-message-to-utilities-we-wont-pay/#comment-46163 Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:46:57 +0000 https://stopsmartmeters.org/?p=4376#comment-46163 It’s amusing how certain individuals remain so hung up on specific details, yet they continue to make ambiguous, double-negative statements that have no clear point.

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By: Richard https://stopsmartmeters.org/2012/04/17/fightthefees-org-sends-a-message-to-utilities-we-wont-pay/#comment-46095 Sun, 22 Apr 2012 23:23:52 +0000 https://stopsmartmeters.org/?p=4376#comment-46095 In reply to Josh.

First, that was rather smarmy.

Second, I have never denied the sickness and suffering of people claiming to be hypersensitive to EMFs.

Finally, definitions are important in science and society, and to claim that the radiation of SmartMeters is “a carcinogen” is just plain wrong.

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By: Josh https://stopsmartmeters.org/2012/04/17/fightthefees-org-sends-a-message-to-utilities-we-wont-pay/#comment-46061 Sun, 22 Apr 2012 18:09:51 +0000 https://stopsmartmeters.org/?p=4376#comment-46061 In reply to Richard.

Good point, Richard. It’s important to remember that it doesn’t really matter if a particular agent is causing widespread sickness and suffering; it’s the terminology associated with its official classification that’s important.

These crazy bastards just have their priorities all mixed up, but I’m sure if you bait them often enough here in the comments section they’ll straighten out eventually.

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By: Smarter Meters https://stopsmartmeters.org/2012/04/17/fightthefees-org-sends-a-message-to-utilities-we-wont-pay/#comment-45961 Sat, 21 Apr 2012 18:35:14 +0000 https://stopsmartmeters.org/?p=4376#comment-45961 In reply to Richard.

Caprolactam is the only “IARC Group 4 carcinogen”

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By: Soapbox Jill https://stopsmartmeters.org/2012/04/17/fightthefees-org-sends-a-message-to-utilities-we-wont-pay/#comment-45833 Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:58:05 +0000 https://stopsmartmeters.org/?p=4376#comment-45833 In reply to Richard.

Here is what places a substance/emission in Group 4: “evidence suggesting lack of carcinogenicity in experimental animals, consistently and strongly supported by a broad range of other relevant data, may be classified in this group.” Hmmm, wonder why radiofrequency radiation was NOT placed in group 4 if there is no evidence of harm.

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By: Soapbox Jill https://stopsmartmeters.org/2012/04/17/fightthefees-org-sends-a-message-to-utilities-we-wont-pay/#comment-45832 Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:47:41 +0000 https://stopsmartmeters.org/?p=4376#comment-45832 In reply to electrician melbourne fl.

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By: Richard https://stopsmartmeters.org/2012/04/17/fightthefees-org-sends-a-message-to-utilities-we-wont-pay/#comment-45816 Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:31:51 +0000 https://stopsmartmeters.org/?p=4376#comment-45816 In reply to Richard.

“…as a Class 2B agent”

should read “Group 2B” not Class 2B (please excuse the typo).

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By: Richard https://stopsmartmeters.org/2012/04/17/fightthefees-org-sends-a-message-to-utilities-we-wont-pay/#comment-45815 Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:27:52 +0000 https://stopsmartmeters.org/?p=4376#comment-45815 In reply to Stop Minnesota Meters.

Then, as you interpret the IARC definitions, anything in their “Group 4” would also be a carcinogen, although “probably not”. Correct?

Would you agree with the previous statement?

If you agree with that, then where do we stop? — Is every substance “a carcinogen” to some degree?

The rampant mis-use of the IARC’s terminology needs to stop.

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By: Stop Minnesota Meters https://stopsmartmeters.org/2012/04/17/fightthefees-org-sends-a-message-to-utilities-we-wont-pay/#comment-45794 Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:46:58 +0000 https://stopsmartmeters.org/?p=4376#comment-45794 In reply to Stop Minnesota Meters.

Then when the exact mechanism for cancer causation is known, the rating will go up to 2A.

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